T2 Sucks!

This is just getting dumb. T2 is so bad now that we can't even take keeps before destro zergs us. I'm sorry but if this is the way Warhammer is going to be I think I will quit. My guildmates in T2 are getting fed up and lashing out. I hate this game right now. There is no fun playing order right now. I want to get to T3 but that is the same as T2. We can't flip only Dom lock. Soon there is will be no order in the RVR lakes at all. In fact as the days go on there are less and less order in T2 and more and more Destro. I hate that Destro has a free ride while I'm forced to logging in to getting rickrolled but Destro T2 zergs. We take keeps that come with their Zerg and take it back. If something doesn't change soon a lot of players are going to quit and I might be one of them. Then Destro can be happy being bored to death. Oh well WoW has a new expansion coming out soon, get I will wait for that.

I really like warhammer but right now it's no fun. It's like Destro wait all day doing nothing on their T2 toons for a keep to be attacked then head out and zerg it. I hope they will be happy when there are no new player to fight against. AAO buff is nice but if you get routed before you have a chance to do anything it's totally worthless. I'm so angry right now. I want to play but there is no sense in doing Orvr anymore with Destro owning EVERYTHING, EVERYDAY know that every hour they are getting flips and it's weeks inbetween flips for order.

Wish you could have made it yesterday. We smashed destros head in. The trick is stick and move. Never be predictable. Door prep with 3 players as much as possible. When you take a keep get the heck out quick. If your fighting a grizzly don't stabd in one place. Your ability to dodge will lead to your success. Once you start taking stuff troops will come. It will be up to you to keep the snowball rolling. Once your big enough bait destro to someplace far from their wc and ambush them. If they hit nothing 5 or 6 times they will let their guard down. That's when you kick em in the teeth and say this is my house bi..... once their knocked onto their heels they'll go defensive. That's when you can lock down the field and watch as they turttle into a single keep. Keep with it we are here to help. There are big things on the horizon just be patient.

(applauds) Good points all around. I'm making a t2 toon as soon as the bar closes. Have faith little buddy, you joined the right guild. I should clarify. I've never been part of an organization like this before that actually has the ability to turn the tide any moment they so desire. Hang in there I promise you won't regret it!!

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Elistanus dont forget that zerg depends on morale and players greed for rr. If u manage to ninja a few keeps and bo's u can kinda even the numbers since a lot of fortune hunters will join in. In the BfB t2, Oldroars wb hardly ever get full or near it TILL the defence of Fang. When the /1 and /t2 was filled with "oh what a blast", "oh we are really rolling them" alot of fresh bodies joined the fight. So keep your head up. Better times are always ahead.

Look at your own sig. That says it all.

He does have a bit of a point though. The last 2 weeks the ballance has greatly tipped into Destro favor. T1 and t2 order is greatly outnumbered. At least on the times I have been playing.

I was there for the T2 night I was leading a WB on Kavurn. That flip in elf was a the fix I needed sadly, we can't have that everyday. I do see your point, but that requires that you have people that listen to you and well with order that is hit and miss. Once you start getting results they are more likely to listen. I'm new to leading WBs and there is still much I need to learn. THe problem is that so there will be no order in the lakes if this keeps up. Then what?

I understand how you feel, Elistanus. But you have to be a bit more patient. Sometimes we must just relax and accept that we are outnumbered, and follow guerrilla tactics (like Foghladha said). As I said before, Warhammer socio-ecology is dynamic. You have to understand it and try to take advantage of this understanding. Destro is NOT overnumbering Order that much on server demographics. We only need to draw Order to the Lakes. And that's what we are trying to do. I have been defeated 2 days in a row, and I felt bad about it. But I'm not hating the game for that. I'm trying to learn and become a better leader to deal with the situation. If the first thing you can do when things go bad is think about quitting, then all you have to do is wait for Cataclysm to come. This is Warhammer, a game of strategy and social / leadership skills. Its not WoW on a different skin. Things are not given on a silver plate for you by worried Devs. You have to group up with people and make them happen. Blessed be. P.S. There are a lot of us out there at T2 trying to fight, getting rolled, trying new and old strategies, doing what we can. The fact you're the only one to rant about how you hate the game and how you want to quit WAR here in the Tavern should make you think, Elistanus. You might be frustrated and stressed, but do you have to pour your frustration all over us? Do you have to try to make us feel like you do? What do you want us to do? You're not alone. You can count on us to fight by your side. But being in a group means you should understand that venting your frustration over your peers only brings more frustration, not solutions. Do you want me to fight by your side? I will be there. But I'd rather have a PuG bugging me than suffer a Tuatha peer making me think of how nice would be to do some lone PVE...

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Its hard to get the lower tiers, esp t2 to do anything, true. Its hard to keep their focus and morale maintained long enough to try guerilla tactics. You have to constantly suffer the trolls and naysayers as well, and the players that think just because they need to cap their influence in dwarf that everyone needs to abandon strategy and go where they want. Its been like this since the beginning. Nothing has changed. And anyone who has lead for any significant amount of time has gone through what you are going through, and will continue to go through. Leading is on the one hand the most frustrating, hair pulling thing you will ever do, and on the other, can bring about the most rewarding experiences this game has to offer. Some days are better than others, some weeks destro dominates, and some weeks we do. Some warbands listen better than others, and sometimes the negative nancies and trolls are easier to silence, and sometimes they ruin everything. This is the game. We do what we can, when we can, and try to win the war. Perk up, if you keep at it, you will have a victory soon, and it will make you feel better. :) See ya on the battlefield.

I'm not trying to make anyone feel anything Seabhran. I was just frustrated, i don't quit, but getting roflstomped all the time is not my idea of a good time. That being said what you said is true. I'm new to WB leading only because it seems like no one less will do it. I'm not putting my frustration out on anyone. Just expressing how I felt at that moment because that is what I needed to do. I think the group here is awesome I really want to get to T4 to do stuff there with you all. =o) So if the way I expressed myself offended you I so apoligize was not my intent, just needed to vent. The thing I got some good advice here because of this post in how to deal with situation like this when they come up and they will. Who know in 2 months Order could be roflstomping in T2 or Order could be getting roflstomped in T4. I will deal with those challenges as they arise.

I think I must apologize for my reaction too, Elistanus. I really understand how you feel. T2 is being hard on us soldiers. But we must not give up. We need to do our best to take people to the RVR lakes, help then learn how to fight and follow tactics, and put up whatever defense we can against Destro. Even though it can be frustrating sometimes -- and it is for all of us -- we must be careful not to frustrate even more our brothers and sisters in arms with our frustration. We must stimulate people, not put them down. But you're not obliged to take part on this fight. You can always rank up thru PVE and reach T3 in time for BfB T3 next tuesday. I promise Eirean will be in T3 to fight at your side in no time. You are a good warrior and we ALMOST pulled a nice "Anvil and Hammer" together at Dok Karaz that night, eh? There must be no bad blood among us, except for Destro blood. =) Take it easy, and good hunting. Blessed Be.

There never was. I like playing with you and we work well together. Seeing as I am lvl 21 I will be leveling out of t2 this weekend but I will try to get a tank up are running soon. I want to hit T4 on my WH so I can help out the family with city battles because once we have enough high rr toons we are going to rip destro apart. OH YA!!

As for the good news... I've had some good times at T3 today. We had a really organized PuG(!) that even had ninja groups (!!) and a main puller for Lords (!!!). I think we would have some good times at T3. But I didn't forget T2. I wont be leading there in the next days, though. Need to take some rest after 1 week straight of T2 leading. But I may go there once in a while to burn some destro with Lillandera. It's real fun. =) I'll be preparing Eirean for BfB T3 most of the time, anyway. See you in some hours at T3. Blessed Be.

I'm in t3 now with my WH Rank 23 and RR 23 hehe. Looking foward to it. So far I have done everyone of the BfB on a single toon. lol. Get this as soon as I start T3 we get a flip. lol but Destro was zerging bad. I guess they aren't very happy about not getting into the city and having IC open quite a bit lately so I guess they decided to ruin it for eveyone in the lower teirs. Sadly we could have gotten the flip in elf if everyone had split up to take BOs but they didn't listen to me. So we didn't get it before the Destro zerg took Ghronds we were pretty outnumbered. Order doesn't play smart all the time and never sees the big picture. I guess we will have to change that.