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Hello 1.11 My Nemesis, My friend.

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Posted On: 10/18/2012 at 10:42 AM

1.11 Borked everything I liked about the game.  Ive been playing since headstart and have had such a good time with the game and my characters.  Now my fav character and spec is gimped to no-return.  The most irritating part is that I was going on my experience since release (read:Great) when I opted to buy the xpack/1 year sub. 

Now here I sit, pouring over the patch notes, seeing that I have little choice but to play a spec chosen by devs as "the" tank spec, instead of what I enjoy, if I want to be a competitive tank.
I have to spec rather deep into a soul I prefer to avoid in order to get skills I used to get with 8pts.
Forced to waste skill pts on interrupts that I used to get free, and have little choice BUT to choose another useless spec and waste points in it to be an off-tank if I had to.

I realize, I have 6 roles I could use - However, the point is that I didnt NEED 3 Roles before, I could do almost everything with 1, and use the other 5 roles for hybrid builds etc.

That is just the tip of the ice, 1 toon.  What they did to my Rogue made me sick.

 



» Edited on: 2012-10-19 23:33:12

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Replied On: 10/18/2012 at 10:51 AM PDT

Is it possible you'll adjust to the changes? Look at it this way; if these were the soul options from the beginning, when you first played Rift, would you have decided the game was not for you?

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Plus they are prepping the trees for the addition of completely new souls which might make the choices a lot more fun! ;)

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Replied On: 10/18/2012 at 03:39 PM PDT

Vay...try it for a bit. I know i do not like some of the necro changes..ie i cant heal self anymore only pet. See if things get better.

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Replied On: 10/18/2012 at 03:43 PM PDT

Just think of like professional sports...everything changes in the playoffs.

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Replied On: 10/18/2012 at 04:21 PM PDT

Vay, As you I am now confounded by the new changes in finding a spec that provides me the play style that I enjoy. There is going to be an adjustment period until we find the one that fits us like like a glove. As always in the end, we will sit back and think about how we couldn't live without it or "why didn't they think about that before." The tanking souls are not that bad. Imanage to find 1 close to what I was using and fits my style. For me, the hard part is finding a warrior PVP spec that provides me not only punch but survivability, as well as a competitive DPS spec for dungeons and raids that will allow me to provide enough punch to help the group in defeating the bosses without dying in between. Once again, I know change is hard, but it is our ability to adapt, improvise, and overcome that will make us succesful within Rift. Hang in there, experiment, and play until it becomes yours. Miraj

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Replied On: 10/18/2012 at 06:28 PM PDT

I understand where Vay is coming from though. If the souls were this way at release..that's one thing. But they weren't. It's like getting into a relationship with a person and then everything you liked about them..what attacted you to them in the first place..changed dramatically. There comes a point where adapting and compromising means being in a relationship that makes you unhappy. There are other games out there and I hope you find one. Since you have a year sub..maybe you will see things turn around here.

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I haven't posted in awhile. But I just had to come out of lurk-mode to say ... Don't give up yet! I'm not sure if this is your first big expansion in an MMO, but this kind of overhaul is always a bit of a shock when you're looking at it from the perspective of the way the game is structured today. The thing is that ALL the classes changed and so did game mechanics that you haven't even seen yet. The math under the hood hasn't show itself yet. You really can't tell how it will play at max level by reading patch notes (which will change several times before launch). While you are floundering, remember that everyone else is too. No one will perform well for awhile; there will be balancing and adjustments. But then it will all gel. If you've enjoyed the game for this long, hang in there and flounder around with everyone else and see how it shakes out. You can always quit once you've leveled up and seen how things look at the new max level. But I can almost guarantee that things will seem very different a month from now. (edit: make that TWO months from now :) )

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Replied On: 10/18/2012 at 08:19 PM PDT

can you at least wait till full release the 4 new souls may offer something your not seeing. Never having played a tank My opinion is not worth much. We talking warrior or cleric tank? For warrior the tempest dose not look like a tank soul. But if your talking cleric the defiler might. Have you looked at BM(assuming warrior) to go front line support? you may want to give BM/rev/RB a look it sounds like we have similar play styles one role to do it all. would hat to see you was the money and not play. Do you have alts other then the rouge? I have one of each because at launch I never knew how I was going to go. So I made one of each played mage to 50 first then warrior my rouge cleric are still in 30's I have them to experiment.

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I feel like Vay... I resubbed to play Rift. This is an entirely new game. I knew we were getting a new soul. I did not expect each of them to change so drastically. I adjusted easily to the little changes that have been made incrementally. I feel like i bought my toon from ebay. When I get home from work, i wanna just play and have fun. I am gonna have to work for weeks just to do half of what i could do.... It saddens me Treaa

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Replied On: 10/18/2012 at 09:43 PM PDT

@Mezmer - Ive been through many xpacks in MMO's over the years, Ive seen plenty of changes and have always been able to adapt to them. However, this... 1.11, is an absolute gutting of each of my characters souls, rotations, specs, skills, macros - It is literally like learning a new game, just as Treaa says - feels like I bought my account. @everyone else :) (and you too Mez!) The thing that really bothers me, and this is just how I feel in regards to tanking souls (Reaver/Pally/Void Knight); I feel like tank players are being railroaded into playing the Pally soul, supplemented with bits of the other souls. I chose to play VK because it was different, did an amazing job at things the reaver/pally couldnt do (and still cant) but they removed SO much of the VK skills, or revamped them in some way, its not even what it originally was, and its very weak compared to what it was. So - Riddle me this: If the VK was so bad (no one wanted to play it, it was gimp etc etc, couldnt raid with it...) why did it get so many nerfs and changes, while the pally got alot of love by comparison? Obviously, the Vk soul and the changes are my biggest concern, however, the other changes to my characters havent really made me go "ok, this makes up for the VK flub". Logging into my alts, realizing I have to relearn 3 other toons, specs, macros, rotations... dont get me started on the "bleep" they did to timers on rogue abilities. My fingers look like little yoga instructors when im tryin to do the rotations. Take away the ability to macro high DPS builds = low dps in raids where mechanics all include the usual "move here, avoid this, stand here, move here" and still put out dps to beat an enrage.... AND keeping all your dots/debuffs etc up on the target. Now instead of playing, we have to micromanage. I could go on and on - but it is just my opinion, but believe me, I have looked at this from all the angles - I understand the "why" of it. What I dont agree with is the new game overnight. If they would have rolled these changes out, instead of making it a new game overnight, myself and MANY others may have had a lot better experience. SL didnt just happen, they have probably been planning it since before they launched. 6 Months ago they knew they would be launching when they are, they knew the changes that would be in place and could have made gradiant adjustments to the souls that weret so jarring. Im still playing - Ive gotten past the initial shock and anger. I seriously hope they fix the warrior souls and reconsider timers on some of the abilities. It will take some time to filter through the garbage that they call preset souls to use - but they are good starting blocks for real builds. However, that all feels like work. I play the game to relax with friends, not work, so Im sure Vaygrent will be on the shelf collecting dust until I feel like a spec that doesnt include pally is useable as a tank. Its Trions game, but I want to play it my way, not how they feel it should be played, and feel not-so-gimp. Pally = FoTM Gimmack Cookie-Cutter Soul. VK (is still) > ALL ! ! ! They just have to fix it. edit to reply to Thune: I have 2 Warrior Tanks (1 very few ppl have seen) 2 Rogues (Defiant/Guardian with the same spec - ty 1.10) and a Mage all with Hk /ID gear. Vaygrent, Zurra and Septa can all do T1, T2 and T3 raids. I have Tank specs, Melee specs, ranged specs, Mage DPS/Archon/Chloro and each of them is in one raid or another several times a week. Believe it or not I have a 50+hr a week job, live in my own place and pay all my own bills :P - but anyway - 1 or 2 characters, ok - not to bad, but with my stable of ... I cant even call em alts because they all get played... I had no idea where to start. It was very overwhelming and frusturating. Did I mention that they gutted my VK?

» Edited on: 2012-10-18 21:55:50

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Replied On: 10/18/2012 at 10:12 PM PDT
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Yeah, sorry. I don't know you or what your previous experience has been. I just wanted to try and give you some encouragement to hang in there. Hopefully it will end up ok for you. I left the game back in 1.1. Will probably try out the beta tomorrow with one of the zillion beta keys out there right now. I figure since everyone will be clueless, I should fit right in. :)

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Replied On: 10/19/2012 at 06:45 AM PDT

agree soul changes should have been rolled out incrementally not overnight. I never played VK never saw the need as a PvE also I was mostly a mage player till now, guess I fall in the same category my main is no longer my go to but I have hope it will be again when harbinger is released. on a side note have you expressed these concerns on the beta class forum?

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For the first time... I logged off because i wasn't having any fun. And having to hear how awesome the bard is and how they love the new whatever just made it worse. Didn't hear much about loving the new warrior. Treaa

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Replied On: 10/19/2012 at 08:18 PM PDT

It comes down to faith in Trion. Yes they have made some questionable tweaks to souls in the past, but they almost always respond quickly to user input and tweak it back. And if you're one of the faithful who have been playing Rift since it's inception, it's safe to say that you've trusted Trion this far. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. That and you just subbed for a year lol. On the other hand, taking a break isn't such a bad idea. Especially right before an expansion. There's no real point to min/maxxing your gear anymore since a higher level cap will make all your current gear outdated anyways. Why not take a break and come back for the xpac with a more refreshed outlook? Btw, are you a server xfer or did you change your name? Because I'm pretty sure I knew just about every Faeblight tank that started raiding from the beginning lol. Is that you Benton!?!?!?!

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I'll be back, probably tomorrow. I just wasn't having fun. Rift is what I do to relax. I'm not relaxed. Treaa is the only toon I play. I started to find a spec that might let me solo but its so tanky. I joined Gaiscioch in April 2011. I just mostly dps'd until recently. Oh... and I seem to have lost my Akyron Mirror that took forever to get. That definitely did not help my mood. They can't replace it because it has been gone too long (I have no idea when, I dont check my gear much thanks to loadequip macros). I am looking forward to Storm Legion because I'm a quester and explorer first. I was finally getting into raiding but I can't get home in time which makes it hard.

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Replied On: 10/19/2012 at 10:48 PM PDT

@Bentmer - I'm not a xfer toon. I started on Defiant side, once Dside kinda floundered I moved to Guardiand Side (Pre 1.10 and leveled up the tank/mage/rogue. I really got started when your HK raid was taking off. I started HK with Xe back in.. April. Anyway - like i said, im over the shock and moving forward. Starting to figure out some specs :)

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Replied On: 10/20/2012 at 10:51 AM PDT

Lol, it was too much to hope that you were some long lost tank from back in the day hahaha. Were you in AV back then? They were nice people. Our raid group predates HK, we started from the beginning of the game dating back to GSB and then to RoS and finally HK. Xe came to our raid group around this time last year I believe. Lol how time flies. Not that any of this is on topic lol. I just like to meander.

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Replied On: 10/20/2012 at 02:10 PM PDT

I play MMOs for the community first, gameplay second. Every MMO I have played has had countless number of buffs/nerfs to every character I have had. The community/guild remains the constant. I have only gotten to play one night so far but I am fine with the changes in 1.11 so far. Playing a rogue and only having to spam macro keys over and over wasn't very challenging. I'm looking forward to having to master rotations for each role I have.

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"What they did to my rogue makes me sick." That's funny, I've sent the rogue team a love letter, they really changed the souls I use for the better. Riftstalker? Finally got more aoe abilities, it's something that can be toggled (plus some dps abilities that can be toggled, too). MM? Didn't change much but my dps is through the roof. The MM set crystal finally is better than the ranger one, also less abilities I have to macro. BD? New spec I use for melee dps, always liked it for soloing with rs but not it's competetive dps in raids. Bard? Way better motive management plus a dps option for when heals are not needed. Saboteur? Cleaned up the mess with charges and made many of them bombs that can be rolled into one macro, had fun in pvp and the dps was still amazing. For me 1.11 is an overall win. Yes, got to find some new specs, some of my favorites don't work anymore (Senticar for example) but with a bit of research and triel and error I was able to replace them with something that seems equally good.

I quit Rift three days before Gaiscioch returned there. Must have fumbled my luck roll.
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Replied On: 10/24/2012 at 08:39 AM PDT
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When I first logged in after 1.11, I was overwhelmed with the changes. I didn't like them at all. I'm not a "hard core" gamer; I have a family and a demanding job. I play for fun and socialize with others who enjoy Rift. I know it's going to take me a long time to figure out how to play my characters well all over again, but it's a challenge that I've now come to accept. Actually, I do like many of the new abilities that have been added. I know others are probably feeling what you are Vay. But I also know that by next week you'll have figured everything out. What might help is for the elders to run some sessions for different classes where we can talk about the changes and how best to make new builds and rotations. I know that would be extremely helpful for the rest of us who aren't so game savy. Stay with us and I'll give you a cookie.

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