Please Read: Large Communities & Cliques

I think it's a bit unfair to put all the burden upon newcomers to force their way in (and things would noty work if everyone tried to be a leader - you need followers). Family outings are great but they are big events and hardly conducive to bonding with small groups. In the end, if people have problems getting instance runs, their problems are not going to get solved with rift hunts. I agree that the use of the word clique is not appropriate - it has negative connoitations. There are lots of groups that know each other and group together, and that is perfectly understandable. I see them going on, it isn't really an issue to me, I've been made to feel welcome and included by enough people, But you have to realise what is going on and why certain people are upset. Last week I asked if anyone was interested in instances. No responces, and the next time I looked in guild there were a couple of groups going. No big deal to me, as I said perfectly understandable. I go llooking in LFG. But I'm not the only one I see this happening to, and you have to realise that it will upset some people. I did end up logging off for the day highly irritated, but that was more because the group I got into got me to leave as a guildmate of theirs had logged on (please don't ever do this to guests in guild groups). All you have to do is just explain to the people who want groups that you're in a preorganised group, and just point them to the open events and times on the forum (or maybe invite them to a run later). The problem isn't groups forming and running, it's people trying to participate and not getting to despite groups forming up all the time, and not getting any feedback at all. Don't forget that whenever there is an issue there are usually two sides, and things that can be done on both to help it to a resolution.

Another thing to note is the variance in roles in this game, hell a cleric can tank,mdp,rdps and heal. Sure it might suck to have to tank if your not used to it or don't like it but that's how games are if you cant find the role you need. Get proactive and start running groups! We seem to have at least 1 active off-peak group that is usually always full, we need some more folks stepping up to the plate and starting their own groups! Its the only way that off-peakers will get the chance to run GSB :P

@Lumenbarba. I'm a newcomer in this guild and as such I can only give this advice. Force yourself in, let yourself be know by offering yourself to al sorts of crazy s##t, even if it does not help you at all, hell I have done number of RotF reg. On my 50 warrior, just because I like to help. Please don't take this as anything personal, just general advice. Another advice is to use all the channels we have, including this forum. Guild chat is most of the times the worst place to get people, simply because the text does not stay for long and if you look for group there, then you have to spam it.

@ Lumenbarba you are on my list of awesome ppl for giving me boe blues as soon as I hit 50 and I dont even know you! That was so sweet! I have strated to do the same for new 50s if I get drops in instances cos it is a really helpful and nice thing to do. As for us - we used to ask in guild for groups and found a lot of ppl dont read gchat - we would then indivdually whisper ppl and ask if theyd like to form up, and keep going til we found people who wanted to run something. This was difficult due to it usually being after 10pm so this should be a lot easier in normal peak times. Failing that we ran a lot of ppl through lowbie stuff and made contacts that way and now it is no issue grouping most days. I suppose what I am trying to say is that the leaders of the guild do a fine job at scheduling a ton of events, more than any I have seen ever in a guild. It is physically impossible for them to ensure every person gets a t1 group and this is where we have to be pro-active and help each other by starting groups if none are forthcoming. If guild doesnt work, try tuatha and then Oceanic channels if it is late at night. Im not much help in US primetime as I have class but otherwise I make groups every night.

lot of great ideas and advice here think all I could add is 2 things First off for me my self when ever im in game im always in vent and usually down in one of the OLDROAR tavern channels :P sorry been had to use that name -) typically I choose for my self to hang out in what ever room oldroar and gab are in because theres not much idle chatter going on and topics are usually a bit more adult. that is unless one of Olds 1-900 numbers starts ringing off the hook then it gets a bit crazy. am i always grouped with them ??? no usually he and Gab are off doing there own thing while im off doing something totally different. we just hang out to socialize a bit,, the main thing i want to bring up about the old roar tavern room is though that its open to evern one ,, everyone is wellcome to pop in and hang out and weve never turned people away.... so if your new to the vent channels and want to hang out or have questions you need answers to pop on down we are always happy to try and help if can.. the second thing that does need to be brought up is Vent its self ,, we have over a 1000 toons in game and im guess that means proble 400 to 500 actual people in guild if not more.... out of all that i think theres what,, around 50 people who actually use vent on a regular basis.. about the only time i ever see more than that is on family raid nights.. that means the majority of our people use the in game chat channel and that causes problems becuase with a guild our size thing tend to scroll by vary fast and things are missed ,, it also makes it alot harder to comunicate in groups. if we had more of our people useing vent it would make things alot easier and people would miss out on groups or raids as much... I know for me my self when im in game im so used to useing vent i tend to almost totally ignore in game chat till some one in vent pipes off with something like " did you see whe he/she said or did" then i end up spending 20 mins scrolling back to see what i had missed lol... anyways i think things would be alot more easy if more people used vent,, guess thats all im trying to say.....

@Ltol Yes I do wish also more people would use vent. One thing we vent users could do though to facilitate communication with the non vent users is make a separate chat tab for guild chat only, and every so often go and have a look at it. That's what I do. If I see guild chat scrolling by too fast because of other chat channels having alot of traffic and can't keep up, or when I come back from an afk, I switch tabs and scroll up a bit to see what I missed. Only takes a minute or so.

In general, I would counsel patience. I know it's easier said then done. I think everyone has been frustrated at one time or another in getting a group to accomplish something, whether it's a quest or a dungeon run. I know the other day, I wanted 19 other people to run naked through Meridian with me but nobody wanted to join. ;0 In all seriousness, everybody has their own schedules and agendas, it can often be very hard to arrange things on the spur of the moment. That shouldn't be an indictment of your fellow guildmembers, sometimes people just have other things to do or other commitments to fulfill. Just think how difficult it can be to arrange a family reunion event or a night out with the guys/gals sometimes. Invariably, there are a bunch of people who cannot make it. Also, this guild has a very relaxed policy on participation. It's a play when you want, where you want, and what you want attitude. While we want to help each other out as much as possible, noone should feel obligated to do so. I know it's a pain, but I suggest sending personal tells to people who are in the guild and of the level/gear requirement for your mission in additon to asking in Guild/Tuatha chat. I frequently have a window open where I can only see tells or party/raid chat. Also, you can provide more information personally about what you need then when you ask generally over guild chat. Vent is nice also but there are only a small percentage of people on at a time and most of those people are already busy elsewhere with their own groups. We also have alot of tools on the guild website to plan events, dungeon runs, rift closing huts, etc. While it takes more work to arrange such things ahead of time, they usually have a much higher rate of success. When I used to run the tri-weekly dungeon runs, most days there were enough people signed up to go. I no longer have the time to arrange such events but that doesn't mean others cannot. This guild provides alot more tools to find groups than any other guild I have been associated with both with the website and the large number of members on at any given time. But still at the end of the day, there are alot of things outside our control and we get disappointed in not getting done what we wished to do sometimes. I am sorry for that and while it really doesn't mean much, I sympathize and hope that future attemps are met with better results. :)

bent i didnt see that about running naked. Gypse would have been there.

I would have too :D.

I think he was just making that up as an example... though not necessarily a very good one. I know I'd drop most anything else I was doing to go on a naked run through Meridian. :-D

Sounds like we need to have a naked race through Meridian Bentmer! Sign me up! (I think a naked race is the next logical step in your race series.)

» Edited on: 2011-05-09 15:47:11

+1 for naked racing if there is vodka or cake :)

Pie. Or we can compromise and meet half-way at cheesecake. :-)

I'm holding out until there are pasties in the game! ::starts a petition to bring on the pasties!::

Sure, pastries are good, too. Oh... that's not what you said?