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Website Market Place Price of Lodestones.

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SuperHeroGeorge
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Posted On: 11/12/2012 at 12:44 PM
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Hello all, 

 

I would like to make a request for an increase in the price of Lodestones in the market place on the website. I make this request simply because i believe they should be alot higher.

 

the average price of the almost any lodestone(with molten lodestones as an exception) is at least 1g 50s. A charged lodestone can sell for roughly 2g30s or more.

Since this is more than five times the amount of the cost of an ectoplasm i think that this request is reasonable.

Therefore I request lodestone be changed from 14 FVC to anything from 500-1000 FVC ranged to closer match their in game economy cost.

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Arowefell
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Replied On: 11/12/2012 at 02:59 PM PST
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Lots of Elder input on this topic (same idea, but for Ectoplasms) here: http://guildwars.gaiscioch.com/tavern/guildwars_crafting/post_40690.html It's a good read, I recommend it.

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SuperHeroGeorge
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Replied On: 11/12/2012 at 04:07 PM PST
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read that post and followed it when it first came out :) I still stand by the factor that it should be raised in FVC price. It is true that the system is based off from vendor. But realistically saying. Lodestones are the hardest component to aquire in the entire game besides legendary precusor weapons. So in my opinion it still should be raised in FVCs. Last night I farmed for 6 straight hours with full MF gear and found only 1 lodestone. Just saying, its a crazy hard component to farm.

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Arowefell
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Replied On: 11/12/2012 at 04:53 PM PST
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Personally, I think the Marketplace is not so much a place to go see what you can get for what you have. I think it's a place where you can see what your friends need, in case you have spares. Sure, there's a small cost, in terms of FVC, but, to me, that's just a high-five for being cool and giving something away for free. Even the expensive items cost less than the average WvW run gives. The prices of the items aren't meant to be commensurate with the value of the item. They're tied to vendor prices because that's really easy to program into a website. Otherwise, I suspect that all items would be the same price, and I further suspect that wouldn't change the Marketplace, or the members' participation in it, very much at all. Look at it another way - economically, FVC are essentially valueless (this is technically not true, but bear with me). If you wouldn't give something away to a guild mate for free, why would you give it away for FVC, regardless of the amount? And if you wouldn't give it away for any amount of FVC, why worry about the price on the Marketplace?

» Edited on: 2012-11-12 16:54:13

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Foghladha
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Replied On: 11/12/2012 at 05:04 PM PST
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Bottom line: the marketplace is a test of sacrifice and your willingness to give to family. Making it "Fair" removes the loss without reward that determines just how much someones willing to give for family. If you think that a price is unfair then don't use it. Fact is if I changed all the lodestones to 500 FVC each it would skew the prices and rewards far beyond the intended design rewarding people insane amounts of FVC for random drops. You have to realize that if I raise the cost then the reward scales as well and everything else that is tied to this item is inflated as well. It would raise prices far beyond the 3,000 range which is currently the target for end game items in both games.

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Susulemon
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Replied On: 11/12/2012 at 06:05 PM PST

Heh, don't forget about "Glacial Lonestone" :D... the odd one out in terms of price and spelling. George, lodestones are pretty hard to get if you tried farming for them yourself, I placed some orders to test it out back then and had no one filling any for weeks, so I don't think its price matters anymore, its not going to be an object that's fillable by the general public except dungeon crawlers In fact I truly respect any guildies that were able to fill 10 charged lodestones they gathered themselves, that's like 25 dungeon runs! Phew.

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SuperHeroGeorge
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Replied On: 11/12/2012 at 10:05 PM PST
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Actually you can't get charged lodestones from dungeons :) But i see everyone's point.

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Susulemon
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Replied On: 11/12/2012 at 11:36 PM PST

Actually, I've ONLY got charged lodestones from dungeons. When I said you can get 10 charged lodestones in 25 dungeons runs, it was actually me running them; back then under a rather false rumor I went farming hours for sparks in Orr but got nothing, it was due to that opportunity I looked into dungeons, the longer I ran the more I realize lodestones are a dungeon common drop, and lesser on the outside world. You can easily tell the difficulty/popularity of a dungeon by examining the lodestone prices/number, that and what they are used for. HotW is so easy and due to the 3->2 bug, the glacial lonestone are like 20 silver each The reason why charged lodestones are expensive is because few people can get pass the laser trap in CoE, and its a harder/longer dungeon compare to bunch of other ones

» Edited on: 2012-11-12 23:43:09

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Sekkerhund
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Replied On: 11/13/2012 at 02:54 PM PST
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Folks, think of the Marketplace as a charity. You give a donation, and get a little tax credit in return. Its not a replacement economy, its nothing more than a guild donation feature (just like many other guilds have) except that its organized, has a tracking system and gives recognition credit to those willing to *share* their fortunes with the rest of the guild. You can't expect "fair market value" from a guild donation system. Guild donation systems are not for crafters and/or harvesters to turn a profit, that's what the in-game auction system is for. Not to mention that using the Marketplace for profit is forbidden in Gaiscioch.

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Denji
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Replied On: 11/13/2012 at 04:05 PM PST
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I'm only in it for the profit $_$. I just passed half a million fvc's. Im saving up to buy myself a server =D

» Edited on: 2012-11-13 16:32:08

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Susulemon
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Replied On: 11/13/2012 at 04:58 PM PST

@ Denji, lol thats a lot of fvc's!!! save me spot on your server :D @ Lodestone again, I think lodestones should just be taken out of the marketplace period (until its value and drop rate changes), instead, just put in the Runes that need them, otherwise anything other than runes lodestones are only used for vanity items instead of any significant gear progression; I would never contribute lodestones if I can just sell them and use that money to fill other orders that actually make a difference :O ... I mean... if 350 charged lodestones (7 commander book worth) were donated by multiple people so that one person can make one "Mjolnir" (hammer), That's enough to gear over 23 guildies up with full set of lv80 armor and trinkets :O ...

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